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Wednesday, May 07, 2008
  PR and social media – an alternative view
Tim Hoang has just had a quick lunch with the Justin Kirby, founder of the International Viral & Buzz Marketing Association (VBMA). The meeting came as a result of an email exchange in Tim’s role at New Media Knowledge where, to put it mildly, Justin was rather negative about the way the PR industry has so far tackled social media.

One of his main criticisms was that “the PR industry gravitates around certain individuals – much in the same way that people consume media that reinforces their ideology” and therefore we all believe we are correct and pat each other on the back, congratulating ourselves on our own greatness. After all, there is no one to tell us differently.

To some extent I would agree – look at the social media-type events whether it is through NMK, Chinwag or the like – there’s very little variation in the people who turn up. Okay, some would argue that it is an open invite and therefore it is not our fault if others do not want to come. However, I think it is ours’ and the organisers’ responsibility to make sure we have as wide a breadth of individuals at these events as possible.

Ironically, our current situation contradicts the social media favourite ‘Wisdom of Crowds’ theory – the digital environment encompasses a huge range of disciplines and there should be more than the regular throng of PR’s and Will McInnes - cheerleader for the digital design community in Brighton.

The term social media also came into question. I know both Wolfstar’s Beth Jones and Steve Rubel have commented on this topic in the past. However, Kirby’s take on it is that it should not merely be labelled ‘media’ but ‘place’. A forum, a blog, a social network is a ‘place’ where people meet and the people are the ‘media’, the channel to communicate through, which he believed we (those of us purporting to operate in the social media) don’t understand properly.

His overall message was that PR practitioners and marketers were talking a good game but how many were actually doing it? Does the insular nature of our inner social circle mean that criticism of ourselves is avoided but is instead directed at those not in ‘the game’? Social media is valid as a label but its importance is overstated – and marketers need to really up their game if they are to really ‘exploit’ this medium, according to Kirby.

Although this post is expecting a whole range of abuse - whatever your thoughts are on Kirby’s comments, the meeting did highlight to me how small and self-congratulatory the social media crowd can sometimes be. Hopefully we’ll see people like Justin at more events soon.

The full interview will be on the NMK site once Tim gets his arse in gear.

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Comments:
True words.

Classic case of swimming and shitting in the same pond with a lot of social media, not good.

Social media also as a term I am starting to wrestle with and in fact all it is a "communications technology", just dressed up with some "buzz".

True social media would simply be Open Source, and I CAN'T imagine the next BMW being open source designed, and owned! True OS meaning two-way communications in all chains of product life-cycle, see here Firgure 1.3: http://www.chrishambly.com/content/social-influence-measurement

So, "social aspects" as a branch of marketing, sure, but how social is questionable as "friends" are not scaleable no matter how you look at it.

Just some thoughts, as Tim Twitter for some feedback.
 
I really like the term place . For me it makes things simple, you've

- people
- places
- and conversations

What makes it tricky is that people & places can be viewed as media.

Sure people bring messages from one person to another and from one place to the other (as an example by referencing a blog on their Facebook page).

But places also can be viewed as media when one can put a logo, a banner or even a good paper on it.

Anyway, each deserve our attention since, where a topic is discussed and who participate is usually as important as what the topic is all about.
 
interesting but I'm not sure I fully understand his point, "we all believe we are correct and pat each other on the back, congratulating ourselves on our own greatness" - Surely it's down to clients to decide whether or not its working and if they're getting results. Or does he think that we are pulling the wool over their eyes?
 
RE: Katie Moffat - i think it's fair to say that he thinks we are pulling the wool over clients (and our) eyes
 
I've not come across Justin before, so thank for pointing in his direction.

But on this point of the PR industry gravitating, and how people are talking a good game but how many are actually doing it, I'd like to chip in briefly.

Speaking as someone who voraciously consumes and blogs about this stuff but who rarely goes to events on it, I'd suggest there are more of us PR people who practice what we preach than outsiders think. And by outsiders I mean people outside the agency each of us work in. Client work is often not going to be massively mainstream, but it doesn't mean a lot of PR people aren't doing it.

I can't speak for other people, but it's what I'm seeing any way.
 
I reckon Drew's hit it on the head - the best social media tactics are those that target and resonate with the relevant (often niche) audience which the internet allows us to do. Therefore, no one else really knows about it. The blog posting just went over a few of the key points made by Justin and i will elaborate once i write it up in full.

At the same time though, i do think it would be good for the PR industry to get some new blood at these events.
 
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